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Fireflyfan
PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:06 pm  Reply with quote



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Basically, PS3's graphics are the same as 360. It's 360 with a blu ray player.
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conundrum
PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:03 am  Reply with quote



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I could not call myself a fanboy (most systems I own are Nintendo mostly because try as I might I cannot break the damn things) but I would not be averse to a Microsoft system.

But never another Sony system. I am on the third PS2 and when (not "if") it breaks I am done.

Anyone remember when it was supposed to have 2-TV 7 player support on one system (ie one system could handle up to 7 controllers)? I sure do, but apparently that was a bit much for them. I need to find the mytube thing, there was a video of Sony's press events at E3 2005 and 2006 showing just how much they changed the specs in a year. And then the new tentative launch date is about a year after this E3. Also, anyone else remember that awesome footage they showed last year which they swore was not pre-rendered? Notice how just about NONE of the games were on the floor at E3 this year?

Then there were the things that they just kind of swept under the rug. Like how the cheaper model PS3 will not be a fully functional Blu-Ray player.

PSP came out and within a month had its first recall for pixel problems. Not to mention an assanine design. Sorry, but after GBA SP came out, I have sworn by the clamshell design.

You could arguably call me a Nintendo fanboy, but that is really not accurate. I am just anti-Sony.
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ajburton29
PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:01 am  Reply with quote



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I have a PS2. I bought it January of 2003. I have over 100 PS2 games. I play games alot and it still works fine. I've never had a problem with it. I will probably buy a new PS2 just for backup if the one I have conks out.
I do not use it as a DVD player, just for games. Maybe that is why it lasted and still works fine.
I love the PS2 library. And I will buy the PS3. But I will wait 6 months or more for them to fix any bugs or problems. I've read that the launch PS2s had loads of problems, like a plastic lens for the laser instead of glass.
Sony has my business.
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Spatial Architect
PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:19 pm  Reply with quote



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Won't buy a PS3 as Sony's shown they are completely incompetent when it comes to designing hardware, then when they do it has a tendency to just... not work. I've only been through two PS2s, but I'm a little bitter as I had to buy them both (my original Xbox broke shortly after I got it, but it was still under warranty). I've owned a Gamecube since they day they came out, it's been knocked off of my speakers and hit the hardwood floors more times than I can count (with the unusual design it doesn't fit into the cabinet); still works perfectly. I've never had a problem with my Xbox 360, it works flawlessly and I love some of the integration (just hate the drought of games we're experiencing).

Then there's the fact that the PS2 controller's too small for my hands; it's just never been comfortable for me. So the PS3 controller's going to be more of the same.

I have an HDTV, but it doesn't support 1080p (and I most likely won't get one that does as they're much more expensive for marginal difference). I do plan on getting an HD-front projection system, but it damn sure won't be 1080p 'cause that shoots it right out of my price range. So I couldn't give a rat's ass about Blu-Ray.

Then there's the fact that the format wars are just starting; who knows if HD-DVD or Blu-Ray will end up winning? Or if either of them will; I think they'll be a niche market as most people just replaced their collections on DVD, doubt they'll want to upgrade their collections again.

Then the PSP seems like the single most retarded piece of hardware I've ever seen, I don't want to see what happens when you take that philosophy into designing a console. A disc-based portable system? A game system with a couple of hours battery life playing a game? My friend's has turned into a paper-weight since his analog stick snapped off (to have Sony fix it would cost around $100 when everything is totaled). In fact Wal-Mart here had to send their PSPs back as they just didn't sell (up until a month or two ago you could still pick up the launch PSPs with a copy of Spider-Man 2).

I have an Xbox 360, I'll get a Wii, won't fucking touch the PS3.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:19 pm  Reply with quote



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Then there's this:
http://digitalbattle.com/2006/07/04/racist-white-psp-ad/
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STR8EVIL
PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:27 pm  Reply with quote



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I currently own a PS2, a 360and a DS Lite. I have owned an Xbox, A PS1, assorted Sega systems, a PSP, a Gamecube, and previous versions of the GameBoy.

I will buy the Wii, but not the PS3. I just can't justify $600. And the $600 one is the only logcal choice. Buying the cheaper PS3 is like buying the cheaper 360. It plays the games, but it's neutured on features.

They say the average gamer is 24-30 or some similar age. I think Sony is banking on that. The right age where kids are out of school, working full time, lots of them living in apartments with friends, splitting the cost of living. I guess they think these folks have money to burn. Me personally, I'm married. We both have good jobs, own our place, blah, blah, blah, we're stable. I'm lucky enough that my wife understands my game needs and doesn't care how much I spend on them and I STILL can't justify it. I CAN afford it, I just can't convince myself it is worth it. $600? PLUS TAX? PLUS $50+ FOR EACH GAME? And let's not forget the main game that sold PS2s, GTA, is no longer exclusive to Sony. The 360 will have GTA4 on launch day. I have a 360 already.

And what if Blu Ray loses the format war? You think Sony will keep pumping out movies on Blu Ray discs if they are the only one making the players? Remember BetaMax? That was Sony's. Rember the UMD for the PSP that major movie studios cut support for a month or so ago? That was Sony's.

Some Sony guy says the PS3 will sell the first 5 million on brand name alone. He's probably right. But this Xmas, how many parents are gonna cough up $600 for a PS3 for their teenager? Interest rates are going up, gas is nearly $3 a gallon (over $3 some places). If parents see the $400 360, the $250 Wii, and the $600 PS3 lined up next to each other at Walmart, which do you think is gonna be their last choice?

Basic Math

$600 = 1 PS3

$600 = 1 360, 3-5 games depending on price. Some games go for $60, some for $40

$600 = 1 Wii and 5 games (Ninetendo said no first party title will be over $50)

Now take into account the rumors that game development companies are pissed at the PS3 price tag. Game developments costs for the PS3 are higher than the PS2 becasue of the hardware the PS3 uses. I've read a few programmers, most notably id's John Carmack, say the PS3 is hard to design for, specifically of the Cell processor. Now imagine your game company developed a new game for the PS3, cost you 10-20 million dollars, and then Sony prices the PS3 at $600, effectively putting it out of the reach of casual gamers. I know I'd be pissed.

God of War 2 could sell PS3s to a certain extent like Halo sold Xboxes and GTA3 sold PS2s. However, it is coming out for the PS2. Why? Because even a 3rd grader knows that selling 7 million copies at $50 (PS2) each is more revenue than selling 5 million copies at $60 (PS3) each.You want to know the kicker? God of War 2 is being developed and published by SCEA. Sony Computer Entertainment of America. Think on that for a minute.

I ended up rambling didn't I? Sorry. Any one else have an opinion?

(Oh, I new here. Came here by the way of Sean Clark's creepyshit.com. Glad to be here. Seems like a nice place.)
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ajburton29
PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:40 pm  Reply with quote



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Very good points.
I just wanted to add that back in 2000, game developers were griping about how hard it was to create game programs for the PS2. The developing kit that Sony put out was crap, so game developers took it upon themselves to create their own developing kit.
Developers ended up making killer games for the PS2, despite the initial difficulty. And the PS2 DID win the last console war.
Of course one could argue that the reason Sony sold so many PS2s was because of PS2 hardware breaking down and consumers needing to buy a new one.
Where was I going with this? Oh yeah, game developers will figure out how to make games for the PS3, just like PS2.
And I have total faith in BetaMax. It WILL return.
Sony was going to add the BetaMax technology to the PS3, but that would have upped the price to $608. And you can only price yourself out of the market so much.
If you consider that you are getting a high definition DVD player with your game machine, it is not such a bad deal. A Wi-Fi adapter and a 60 GB hard drive is also included in the $600 package.
360 has a 20 GB hard drive and sells an add-on Wi-Fi adapter for $100.
If you want a HD-DVD player for the 360 and a Wi-Fi adapter, you have to buy both seperately. And when you do, you just spent as much on your 360 as you would on the PS3 which has both included in the machine.
But the Blu-ray format better work out, or Sony and the customers are fucked.


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ajburton29
PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:48 pm  Reply with quote



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Sony is also stealing ideas from Nintendo and Microsoft.
Steal the format for X-Box 360 Live's online service? Check.
Steal Nintendo's gyroscopic motion sensing tilt function controller? Check.
Steal Nintendo's idea for a virtual console, downloading older games for a price online? Check.
Wii will rock you.
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conundrum
PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:19 pm  Reply with quote



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ajburton29 wrote:
Sony was going to add the BetaMax technology to the PS3, but that would have upped the price to $608. And you can only price yourself out of the market so much.


Laughing

Also, many 360 games are going for around $60, so I would expect the same for PS3, especially if any developers decide to use Blu-ray. But then again, Squenix is about the only company I have heard say would use it. But then again they LOVE making cutscenes.
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elric300
PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:59 am  Reply with quote



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The Blue Ray issue not longer holds me to getting a PS3, as I truly believe right now that Blue Rayb will go the way of Beta tape.
Sony has stated that they will not be doing "adult" titles on Blue Ray. I'm really not interested in porn, but anyone who's been around knows how big a market share adult titles share. ALso, Sony is just abit too propietary with their technology. Which means higher prices for the consumer.
Also, yes, the PS2 is a crap design. Ever try to open one? TINY ribbons that barely hold things together, and a weird system involving two chips that makes programming for the PS2 very difficult.
XBOX on the other hand, is pretty much like designing a game for a pc. Same thing with the 360. Xbox is vastly superior to PS2, and offeres much better graphics, as well as more stable framerates.
What's pissing me off is that more and more games are coming out for PS2 and not for XBOX. I really hope that game publishers don't think that everyone has sprung for the 360 and dumped their old Xbox.

Fact is, the price for both the 360 and PS3 is way too high. I can get a brand new PC, with a monitor, for the same price as the PS3.
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conundrum
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elric300 wrote:
The Blue Ray issue not longer holds me to getting a PS3, as I truly believe right now that Blue Rayb will go the way of Beta tape.
Sony has stated that they will not be doing "adult" titles on Blue Ray.


For seriously?!? As I recall, adoption by the pr0n industry was one of the big reasons that VHS won out over Beta.
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elric300
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That's what Don May of Synapse said over at the Mobius Home Video board when he went about seeing into maybe preparing an HD version of Radley Metzger's(very good) THE IMAGE.

You'd think Sony would've learned from their mistakes with Beta. Apparently, they're living on their own particular plane of existence that doesn't quite lay on the same as the rest of the world.

I love Blue Ray's ability for extra data. But i don't like Sony making all the wrong decisions, again.

The reviews for the just released Blue Ray titles have indicated a lot of issues. lack of dual layer, using MPEG-2 instead of VC-1 technology for encoding. Alright, Vc-1 is Microsoft, so I see the point in that. But still, MPEG2 is fine for standard dvd but very limiting for HD. Also, Sony's typically high prices and lack of extras on their Blue Ray dvd's. None of this is anything that I'd want to see on a new technology that I'm trying to introduce to consumers and gain dominance in.

So, putting all that in, plus my experiece with the PS2, I'm not all that enthused for the PS3.
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While there are games coming out for the PS3 that I want, I will be waiting to buy one for a while.

As far as Blu-Ray is concerned, I don't really care all that much. I still think it's a bit early for the switch to a new format, though.
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Cash Bailey
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My PS2 has been getting worse over the last few years and it's oddly comforting knowing that it's a widespread problem across the system. The DVD player hasn't worked in about 3 years and now only PS1 games work. Occasionally.

I've not bought replacement because I've been waiting for the PS3. For about two years.

The PSP, on the other hand, is nothing less than a disaster, with crappy games (save LIBERTY CITY STORIES and some of the driving games) and idiotic console design.

Now with the interminable delay of the PS3 for the first time my faith in Sony is shaken and I'm seriously considering going to the XBOX 360 for my next-gen gaming.

As much as my allegiance to FINAL FANTASY and METAL GEAR compells me to go with Sony every time I'm disillusioned by the lack of quality control in the basic fundamentals of gaming, which is the games themselves and a system that won't break down after 6 months.

I don't give two shits whether the PSP will be able to be used as a garage opener in three years or any of that crap. I just want entertaining gaming.
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It doesn't help that 2 games that I was amped to play, Assasin's Creed and GTA 4, are also cross-platforming to the 360 now.

About the only exclusive to PS3 I want to play is MGS 4. And who knows when that will get the remix treatment for 360.
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