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Miss Wormwood
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:01 am  Reply with quote



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**Spoilers**

I just watched Irreversible last night for the first time and was so blown away. It's weird--the subject matter is depressing, but the film itself didn't depress me. It kind of exhilirated me--not because I got off on it, but because it was so honest about such a taboo subject.

A lot of the IMDB comments talked about whether a film like this is necessary and whether the violence is gratuitous or exploitive. Shit like this, and worse, really does happen and very rarely do you get to see it in a safe context where you can think about it without having to go through it. I think it's important to think about the nasty shit in life because how the fuck are you going to do something about a problem if you refuse to stare it in the face? How easy is it to safely pigeonhole human beings who have horrible shit happen to them, to make out like they deserved it or brought it on themselves. If that's true, then of course violence will never happen to us because we're smart and good, and bad things only happen to the stupid and evil.

I saw this movie the same night that I had a run-in with a psycho woman that ended in me calling 9-1-1. I've literally never seen that level of crazy firsthand before and it really kind of fucked with my world.

Then I went home and watched Irreversible and here was a movie about the randomness of violence and insanity that can punch a hole right through your suburban middle-class life. It just came at exactly the right time. I've heard it said that the reverse plot was gimmicky, but I liked it. It was a trip how the horror of the beginning was in the spectacle of violence, but the horror in the end was in the foreboding of what was about to happen. The swirling camera movement disoriented me and I loved that, too. Noe was really trying to make you sick to your stomach on so many levels, and it worked for me. Why would I want to watch a movie that makes me sick to my stomach? Why the hell do people eat habanero peppers? Sometimes people like their sensory pleasures to hurt a little. I don't know exactly why. Because mankind is fucked up? Because a little bit of pain makes life seem sweeter and more real? There are probably a lot of answers to that question.
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Tristan Sinns
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:08 pm  Reply with quote
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In my humble opinion this could have gone in the main forum...while it's not traditional "horror" it's certainly "horrorific"!

Nice write up on it. It's rare I see a film that I think is genius, as this one certainly is, yet hesitate to recommend. The violence in it, especially the notorious nine and a half minute scene, is nearly overwhelming. I actually felt a little "ick" from the film for a couple of days.

I read somewhere that the first 20 minutes (the long scene in that hellish gay sex bar) also includes some sort of sub level sound that is beneath the human range of hearing, that is supposed to induce mild nausea. This is unconfirmed.

If you liked it, check out his other film, I Stand Alone. Also a powerful picture, very dark, though perhaps not quite as brutal as Irreversible (though...it's still brutal).
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StephenG.Jones
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:25 pm  Reply with quote



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It was a trip how the horror of the beginning was in the spectacle of violence, but the horror in the end was in the foreboding of what was about to happen


yeah, dramatic irony at it's best. that's you get to play with when you mess with the timeline (either via sequence or via actual time travel or memory [MEMENTO, LOST HIGHWAY] or whatever). very cool. seems Ebert had some fun stuff to say about this too, re porn vs non-porn. anyway, for my money, the scene that was all sticky for me and wouldn't leave my head was that bashing the head in part, where the camera just would not look away, no matter how much I wanted it to. one of the best/worst death scenes I've scene, though that guy in THE PROPOSAL getting his head blown off, it's pretty cool as well, and has the surprise factor working for it (unlike in SCANNERS or MANIAC or etc, where you know it's coming, are waiting for it, even). though too you can't ignore the final kill(s) in TWITCH OF THE DEATH NERVE/BAY OF BLOOD, which, like with ONE NIGHT AT MCCOOL's, is just a total surprise.
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brainee
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:46 pm  Reply with quote



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Agreed ... great movie, but not one that I can handle too many repeat viewings of. I don't if any other movie made so many top 10 lists AND bottom 10 lists the same year. It has a lot more going on than just the violence in the first part (though the effects of that permeate the entire movie), though many of the negative critics can't get past that bit. I've actually found that friends of mine who are more art-house fans, but not horror or exploitation, came away raving about this (presuming they were open-minded to start with). It's also a cool movie technically. The "reverse" storytelling, as noted, is not a gimmick but serves the emotional impact of the movie. And there's interesting camera-work -- pretty much the whole movie is done as a continuous take (with the aid of computer effects). I'm pretty sure the "sound" thing in the club (making the audience queasy on purpose) is true -- Noe might've said it in the commentary or making-of docs.

Does anyone know if Gaspar Noe is ever going to make another feature? It's been 4 years, and the only new things on his imdb listings are a short and a compilation. There's something tentatively titled "Enter the Void" for 2008, but not info about it.
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Kimberly
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:11 pm  Reply with quote



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I HATE I Stand Alone...

Saw it when it was in the theaters... and there was a big to-do about how "shocking" it was... and how there are "warnings" that appear so that you can look away as a bit of nasty violence was going to happen...

The film was a POS... it was "shocking" for the sake of being "shocking"...

With that being said... Irreversible is AMAZING! Brutal movie... and for those who haven't seen I Stand Alone... the fat fuck in the begining of Irreversible who's talking about banging his daughter... is the guy from I Stand Alone
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Tristan Sinns
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:27 pm  Reply with quote
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Kimberly wrote:

The film was a POS... it was "shocking" for the sake of being "shocking"...


I have to respectfully disagree. There was a brain to it, and there was more than simply being "shocking". The film allowed insight into the the butcher's mind by the constant narration of his running thoughts. He was an awful person, and he did awful things, but the process of his thoughts gave an almost understanding to his awful actions (note: not justification to those actions...). You could actually see the way the man thought.

I felt it was an excellent character study of a particularly foul individual. Confused
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