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Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:29 am
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The film is AWESOME. I love the subject mater, so there is a bit of a bias....but they do an awesome job on the reinactments and the film maker does a great job of presenting the material as it is (factually) without his own biases coming into play (I am not saying this film is without opinion, there is LOTS of opinion...but there are also lots of facts).
I do understand that the actual archived footage used in the film COULD be a hoax....but I don't think it is. It could also be explained in ways other than alien abduction/contact....but everyone can decide that for themselves...and regardless what you decide, the film was still extremely well done.
I found some of the footage very frightening/disturbing/shocking...and I am actually a bit surprised it only got a PG13 rating.
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:49 am
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| As far as I'm aware, the "archive" footage is indeed fake but it makes a very effective film. Will hopefully be catching it myself tomorrow. |
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:13 am
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oh.
I waited until the end of the credits where it will usually say something to the effect of 'all characters and stories are fake and likeness to real people or events is purely coincidental'....but that never came.
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:23 am
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Saw it today.
Thought it started well. The intro with Milla giving the whole introduction was really strange.
I thought it very weird that the 'real footage' on videotape would be distorted and wrecked when the aliens were near, but the audio tape was perfectly fine. They are both magnetic tape. Why would the videotape be affected and not the audio tape?
The more it went on, the more I realized that the whole story was a sham. There is no real footage, no real interviews. It's all made up.
The 'real psychiatrist' lady interviewed totally looked like an actress playing a part.
I didn't get the significance of the white owls. Are they in on the whole abduction plan? for what gain?
I'd say pass.
It is directed with style, but when the whole premise of the movie is comparing the 'movie' to the 'real found footage and interviews' only to have those be fake, what's the point? |
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:17 am
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| ajburton29 wrote: | Saw it today.
Thought it started well. The intro with Milla giving the whole introduction was really strange.
I thought it very weird that the 'real footage' on videotape would be distorted and wrecked when the aliens were near, but the audio tape was perfectly fine. They are both magnetic tape. Why would the videotape be affected and not the audio tape?
The more it went on, the more I realized that the whole story was a sham. There is no real footage, no real interviews. It's all made up.
The 'real psychiatrist' lady interviewed totally looked like an actress playing a part.
I didn't get the significance of the white owls. Are they in on the whole abduction plan? for what gain?
I'd say pass.
It is directed with style, but when the whole premise of the movie is comparing the 'movie' to the 'real found footage and interviews' only to have those be fake, what's the point? |
I thought the tape recorder thing was fishy too. Didn't ruin the movie though. I find it rather brilliant and ballsy that they would create a film like this that could very well be completely fake. It's part of the ride. I can dig on that.
Oh and the aliens were imprinting the memory of seeing an owl outside the window, instead of an alien head..which is what they really saw.
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:48 pm
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when the aliens are around, isn't the audio track on the video tape fine too?....that doesn't explain why only the video is distorted but does maintain consistency with itself.
I really want to know if Dr.Tyler and/or any of her case studies are real.
I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't....and that doesn't ruin the film, IMO...but I really want to know.
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:17 pm
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| Quote: | | I really want to know if Dr.Tyler and/or any of her case studies are real. |
Not real. |
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:34 pm
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double post, sorry
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:34 pm
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If it were aliens, they'd have the technology to feasably block all imaging devices, rather then audio. With aliens anything's possible. I haven't seen the film, and I am highly interested in extraterrestrial subjects(one of my favorite books series are area 51 by Robert Dougherty, and the Alien books) so I really want to see this one. It's good to hear that the movie is good.
The whole Milla in the beginning I think gives us the mindset that it's more likely the "archive" footage is real, thus giving the whole thing a bigger feeling of validity. Makes sense to me, and it's a genius move in my opinion. Probably helps set the tone of the story, without the viewer realizing it.
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:16 pm
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| ajburton29 wrote: | | Quote: | | I really want to know if Dr.Tyler and/or any of her case studies are real. |
Not real. |
do you know or are you just confident?
...if you do know can you help me with a source?
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:33 pm
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Some of the things I read claim she never existed. I love the style of it though. It makes it hard to disbelieve. At the end credits they have audio of people claiming to be seeing or have seen a UFO. Pretty interesting so I stayed until the lights came on. Yeah that murder/suicide was a brutal thing to watch. Real or not to me it's besides the point. It's still a creeepy movie and while this particular case may have been made up there are plenty of real cases out there to look into. Fire In The Sky was reality based for the most part I believe.
Anyway, I can walk down a dark alley and not be afraid but looking out at the stars makes me feel helpless. Like if they wanted to take me they could and I wouldn't be able to stop them. Unlike Spielberg I don't think they're here to be friends. We're more like a zoo. |
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:11 am
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| Quote: | | do you know or are you just confident?...if you do know can you help me with a source? |
My source is Roger Ebert.
He wanted to know, and actually did the research to see if these cases were real.
Read his review of the movie.
this was taken from his review.
"It was with crushing disappointment that my research discovered this is all made up out of whole cloth, including the real Abigail. The film wasn't even shot in Nome, but mostly in Bulgaria. And Dallas Massie, a retired state trooper who's the acting police chief in Nome, says he's heard nothing about aliens.
I learn all this from the blog of an Anchorage Daily News reporter, Kyle Hopkins, who says about 20 people have indeed disappeared in the area since the 1960s, and writes: "The FBI stepped in, reviewing two dozen cases, eventually determining that excessive alcohol consumption and the winter climate were a common link in many of the cases. Some of the dead were killed by exposure or from falling off a jetty into the frigid Snake River." |
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:10 am
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| ajburton29 wrote: | | Quote: | | do you know or are you just confident?...if you do know can you help me with a source? |
My source is Roger Ebert.
He wanted to know, and actually did the research to see if these cases were real.
Read his review of the movie.
this was taken from his review.
"It was with crushing disappointment that my research discovered this is all made up out of whole cloth, including the real Abigail. The film wasn't even shot in Nome, but mostly in Bulgaria. And Dallas Massie, a retired state trooper who's the acting police chief in Nome, says he's heard nothing about aliens.
I learn all this from the blog of an Anchorage Daily News reporter, Kyle Hopkins, who says about 20 people have indeed disappeared in the area since the 1960s, and writes: "The FBI stepped in, reviewing two dozen cases, eventually determining that excessive alcohol consumption and the winter climate were a common link in many of the cases. Some of the dead were killed by exposure or from falling off a jetty into the frigid Snake River." |
Doesn't change the fact that the movie good.
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:16 am
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| The Buz wrote: | | ajburton29 wrote: | | Quote: | | do you know or are you just confident?...if you do know can you help me with a source? |
My source is Roger Ebert.
He wanted to know, and actually did the research to see if these cases were real.
Read his review of the movie.
this was taken from his review.
"It was with crushing disappointment that my research discovered this is all made up out of whole cloth, including the real Abigail. The film wasn't even shot in Nome, but mostly in Bulgaria. And Dallas Massie, a retired state trooper who's the acting police chief in Nome, says he's heard nothing about aliens.
I learn all this from the blog of an Anchorage Daily News reporter, Kyle Hopkins, who says about 20 people have indeed disappeared in the area since the 1960s, and writes: "The FBI stepped in, reviewing two dozen cases, eventually determining that excessive alcohol consumption and the winter climate were a common link in many of the cases. Some of the dead were killed by exposure or from falling off a jetty into the frigid Snake River." |
Doesn't change the fact that the movie good. |
no, it doesn't.
...but it is a bit of a disappointment. 
thanks for the info, ajburton.
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Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:53 am
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| Quote: | | no, it doesn't....but it is a bit of a disappointment. Sad...thanks for the info, ajburton. |
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