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Messiahman
PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:42 pm  Reply with quote



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Didn't See It Coming wrote:
Messiahman wrote:

The only miscalculation was in trusting the audience to be intelligent enough to let go of their memories of the silly 80s show and go along with a complexly written, multilayered, stylish crime story that relied more on intense character pieces than action sequences (although the ones that are included are superb).


Really? Considering I never watched the show...Not one full episode...So much for that theory...


Well, in your case, we'll just chalk it up to you having shitty taste. THAT is a theory that has been tested and proven multiple times! Laughing Razz
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Didn't See It Coming
PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:40 pm  Reply with quote



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Messiahman wrote:
Didn't See It Coming wrote:
Messiahman wrote:

The only miscalculation was in trusting the audience to be intelligent enough to let go of their memories of the silly 80s show and go along with a complexly written, multilayered, stylish crime story that relied more on intense character pieces than action sequences (although the ones that are included are superb).


Really? Considering I never watched the show...Not one full episode...So much for that theory...


Well, in your case, we'll just chalk it up to you having shitty taste. THAT is a theory that has been tested and proven multiple times! Laughing Razz


Yeah, I know...Every time we agree on a movie...Which is quite often...
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Messiahman
PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:19 pm  Reply with quote



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Didn't See It Coming wrote:
Messiahman wrote:
Didn't See It Coming wrote:
Messiahman wrote:

The only miscalculation was in trusting the audience to be intelligent enough to let go of their memories of the silly 80s show and go along with a complexly written, multilayered, stylish crime story that relied more on intense character pieces than action sequences (although the ones that are included are superb).


Really? Considering I never watched the show...Not one full episode...So much for that theory...


Well, in your case, we'll just chalk it up to you having shitty taste. THAT is a theory that has been tested and proven multiple times! Laughing Razz


Yeah, I know...Every time we agree on a movie...Which is quite often...


Nobody's saying that you can't have occasional moments of clarity. Razz
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LSD Zombie
PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:49 pm  Reply with quote



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Messiahman wrote:
It's mainly hampered by the fact that Farrell underplays his role, but that worked to its advantage, as it humanized him.
Laughing Ah yes, the smooth talking womanizer, how unique. The "I'm too cool to make more than one facial expression" type. Collateral's two lead characters wipe the floor with Vice's machismo douchebags.
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Didn't See It Coming
PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:13 am  Reply with quote



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Messiahman wrote:

Nobody's saying that you can't have occasional moments of clarity. Razz


Oh don't I know it...That would be the times where you agree with me...
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Lunablix
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:40 pm  Reply with quote
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Morgan Elektra wrote:
Johnny Depp and Christian Bale?

That's like a stroke film for straight chicks.

I'm there. With bells on.


This is what my thought was when I heard about it. I told my friend it's like porn for me. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Didn't See It Coming
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:02 am  Reply with quote



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I was kind of disappointed by this. I feel like Mann was only firing on half energy in every scene that didn't involve guns. Depp's Dillinger is about the only character with any depth in the film as no one else is given anything to do other than be a "fed" of a "robber". Even the scene between Bale and Depp is incredibly underwhelming.

The whole time I kept thinking how much better Heat was at telling almost the same kind of story.

Meh, not horrible, but certainly not as good as it could and should have been.

6/10
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Daniel
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:52 am  Reply with quote



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Didn't See It Coming wrote:
I was kind of disappointed by this. I feel like Mann was only firing on half energy in every scene that didn't involve guns. Depp's Dillinger is about the only character with any depth in the film as no one else is given anything to do other than be a "fed" of a "robber". Even the scene between Bale and Depp is incredibly underwhelming.

The whole time I kept thinking how much better Heat was at telling almost the same kind of story.

Meh, not horrible, but certainly not as good as it could and should have been.

6/10

Totally agree. The film was fun at times, but there was just nothing memorable about it.
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MeAndMyMeatCleaver
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:11 am  Reply with quote



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6/10 is exactly what I'd give it too.

It was good - I was thoroughly entertained but it was lacking. Another review elsewhere said it felt like the 3rd part of 3 part miniseries - we're expected to know these characters but we don't. I'd agree with that at the beginning but by the 2nd half, one gets Dillinger.
I wonder if reading the book gave me an advange going in; I knew who many of the side characters were -- their stories, what they were doing while Dillinger was around and after. Like Karpis - played by Gionvanni Ribisi-he and his gang were my favorite of the gangs/robbers profiled in the book (the others being Bonnie and Clyde, Baby Face Nelson, Pretty Boy Floyd and Machine Gun Kelly and the rise of the FBI).
I loved the shoot out at Little Bohemia but the historical record is much different - in real life it was a complete fuck up for the FBI; as was most they did. They were completely incompetent at that point and lucked into so much. That said, Mann presenting that portion of the film was fascinating. It felt like a DTV movie - but with a good script, great actors and good director - as in its unpolished and that makes it feel more real. I was completely immersed. The effect isn't as strong in the dialoge scenes but for the action it really brought me in.
All and all its a great abridgement of a fantastic tale ... I highly recommend the book.
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LSD Zombie
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:13 am  Reply with quote



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Public Enemies is a good film, unfortunately not a great film. I don't think it's destined to become a classic like Heat. I shouldn't have even had Heat on my mind while watching PE. Because PE is no Heat. Again, that's not to say PE is bad.

One of the problems I think was Depp's performance. Depp played Dillinger as if he were on tranquilizers. Which is not good considering Dillinger is the star of the show. His attempts at humor fell flat for me and didn't feel genuine. Bale also lacked any sort of spark that made him an interesting character. His southern accent could have used some work too.

I think the two actors that stood out the most were Marion Cotillard and Stephen Graham as psychopath Baby Face Nelson. Stephen Lang was also quite good given what little a part he had.

I'd say the best parts of the film are the shoot-outs. Mann continues to school everyone on how to film and choreograph shoot-outs. Anyway, I wouldn't rush to see this film. I would recommend seeing it eventually though.
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