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FilmCritic3000
PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:10 am  Reply with quote



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Well, after all of the mixed opinions and vitriol that's been thrown this show's way, I was pleasantly surprised. It did try to cram a ton into this first episode, but I chalk that up to FOX wanting this retooled pilot episode.

The only qualm I really had was why wouldn't a billionaire simply hire a hostage negotiator? Yeah, they addressed that but it's still a plot contrivance.

All in all, I'm eager to see where Joss takes us, assuming FOX is patient and allows Dollhouse to find its footing.

And it was really great seeing Amy Acker on television once again.

As for the ratings...

Viewers Give Warm Welcome To Whedon's Dollhouse

http://www.tvweek.com/news/2009/02/viewers_give_warm_welcome_to_w.php

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Viewers Give Warm Welcome to Whedon's 'Dollhouse'

By Josef Adalian

Weeks of marketing and years of pent-up interest from Joss Whedon fans helped Fox's "Dollhouse" score a solid welcome Friday night.

The much-anticipated drama notched a 2.0 rating/6 share among adults 18 to 49 during its 9 p.m. Friday premiere, according to preliminary fast national data from Nielsen. It attracted 4.72 million viewers.

While "Dollhouse's" overall ratings were nothing spectacular, the show's 2.0 rating in adults 18 to 49 is a nice improvement over what Fox had been averaging in the fall with gameshow "Don't Forget the Lyrics." Most weeks last fall, "Lyrics" had been scoring between a 1.5 and a 1.7 in the demo.

"Dollhouse" also nearly doubled the ratings Fox averaged last spring with the Friday premiere of short-lived scripted drama "Canterbury's Law," which bowed to a 1.1/3. The early numbers seem to indicate that if Fox wants to program scripted series on Friday, genre fare such as "Dollhouse" is a much better option than a standard procedural.

Two other positive points: "Dollhouse" appears to have held on to its audience throughout the show, and the series built nicely on its lead-in, the relocated "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles."

The latter drama earned a 1.3/5, a bit below what Fox had been earning with "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader?" "Terminator" dipped from its most recent original telecast on Monday nights, when the show earned a 1.9/5 on Dec. 15.

Overall, "Dollhouse" ranked second in the 9 p.m. hour, just below ABC's "Supernanny" (2.2/7), but ahead of CBS' "Flashpoint" (1.9/6) and NBC's fading "Friday Night Lights" (1.1/3).

Among adults 18 to 34, "Dollhouse" earned a 1.7/6, coming within spitting distance of "Supernanny" (1.8/7) in that demographic. Fox's marketing of "Dollhouse" and "Terminator" as a pairing of "sexy sirens" paid off with men: Both dramas won their timeslot among men 18 to 34.

Fox executives will be watching the numbers closely in the coming weeks to see if "Dollhouse" can hold on to its audience. If the series can maintain its premiere numbers, Fox may have found itself a Friday night player.

The network had hoped airing the show on Fridays, rather than on Mondays as originally announced, would give it time to find and hold and audience. Mr. Whedon has indicated he's on board with the strategy.


Dollhouse also placed highly in both the female and male demographics.

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/02/dollhouse-attra.html

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In fact, Dollhouse helped Fox double its viewership levels among women versus Chronicles and helped the net finish in second place among adults 18-34 and in first place across key male demos for the night.

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Didn't See It Coming
PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:32 pm  Reply with quote



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I watched it...I wasn't blown away but I was entertained...

Here are the problems:

As I expected, not having a solid character to get behind is a problem for a Whedon show...His shows work because every character is unique and interesting enough to come back to every week....Having Echo be a vapid child in between "treatments" is a mistake.

The concept, while intriguing, lends itself to gaps of logic too much. Like you said, why hire them instead of a legit hostage negotiator? Why hire a girl as the perfect date when you can hire an escort? If you want a custom personality, why? Wouldn't that just make you fall for her? Who the fuck would pay for that kind of heartbreak?

And why the FUCK would you put the BEAUTIFUL Amy Acker in scarface make-up?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:21 am  Reply with quote



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I figure I need to give it a few more episodes before I really make a judgement on it..the first episode is always a bit off because they do try to get so much in so I always at least watch two more to see were they may go..so far was like ehh okay but like Didn't See It Coming and Film critic stated so far too many gaps in logic...but I'll give it a little bit since it is Joss Whedon
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Didn't See It Coming
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:33 am  Reply with quote



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Also, I wanted to add that while I like her, a lot, Dushku is no Gellar...She doesn't have the chops to play someone drastically different each week...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:52 am  Reply with quote



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I liked it enough to watch it again this week.

But I have no faith in FOX to keep it around. I mean this is the same company that killed off Firefly & Fastlane all in the same season. Dollhouse is the first show I've watched on Fox since those two cancelations.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:20 am  Reply with quote



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Watching it I thought it felt like a possibly good idea that had been horribly butchered by FOX desk-riders. To be honest I didn't feel much of anything. The only character that struck me as remotely interesting is Amy Acker, but that might be the old crush returning. So cute.

It just didn't feel Jossy at all. It's the kind of show that could have been made by anyone. Even the trademark awesome Whedon dialog was missing.

Poor Joss. It's like that really nice guy you know that keeps running back to that horrible girlfriend that cheats on him and dumps him over and over.
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Jim_McD
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:21 pm  Reply with quote



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So after the fifth boring episode of Dollhouse it still feels like Whedon is half-assing the show, as if he doesn't really care at all. Then it hits me, considering how far away from his last three shows this one is, and how Fox screwed him over so completely the last time he worked for them, could this be on purpose? He's said openly that after Dollhouse ends he's leaving television permanently and working exclusively on the net. Is this basically Whedon hate-fucking the Fox network?

"Gimme a bunch of cash, I'll crank out a shit show for a while, then when it crashes and burns I'll walk away and use your money to conquer the internet. And that's what you get for screwing Firefly."
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:32 am  Reply with quote



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I've never watched Buffy or any other Joss Whedon show, so I have nothing to compare it to.
I do like Dushku, but it's a good thing this show is on after Terminator: TSCC otherwise I probably wouldn't watch it every week.
The religious cult episode was pretty lame, and I didn't get to see all of the heist episode the week before.
I don't see it getting a 2nd season.
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Quantum Leap was essentially an anthology show. Each week there was a different setting and story. However, there was the same familiar main characters to keep the audience anchored and interested.

Dollhouse is the exact opposite. It's the same setting and essentially a different main character each week. And that's the mistake. There's nothing to like about the main character because she changes every week. There's no real reason to care.

This show will fail unless they advance the meta-story faster than snail's pace they have it on now. Then again, it will probably fail anyway. Don't forget: NBC already explored the "implanted personality secret agent" premise with My Own Worst Enemy. And we all know how well that went.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:17 pm  Reply with quote



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Apparently this Friday's Joss Whedon-written episode is a game changer, in terms of storyline expansion and character development, i.e. FOX finally let Joss be Joss starting with this episode.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:45 pm  Reply with quote



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Desdinova wrote:


Dollhouse is the exact opposite. It's the same setting and essentially a different main character each week. And that's the mistake. There's nothing to like about the main character because she changes every week. There's no real reason to care.




The subplot they have hinted at is the idea of her retaining her training and memory when she shouldn't. I imagine as the series progresses she's going to begin retaining more and more of a core personality. She's already had a moment where she recognized another active after a mission when she shouldn't.

And as I recall that was what the original story pitch Whedon sold the concept on. The story of a operative with a mind wipe who begins to remember things she shouldn't. Couple that with her over protective handler and a company man out to get her and I can see the set up for another series built on strong character interactions.
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Jim_McD
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:09 am  Reply with quote



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What'd be nice is if she'd been retaining everything the whole time, like maybe the mind-wipe didn't work on her at all from the beginning. Of course the heist episode negates that possibility but it would have been neat. And maybe enough to make me like Echo a little bit.
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Didn't See It Coming
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Supposedly tonight's ep is the game changer...Whedon wrote and directed it and it's supposed to really kick things into gear...Here's hoping.
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Didn't See It Coming
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So it was a game changer. A few neat twists that show where the show is going but I found them to be on the predictable side.

SPOILERS

I knew the neighbor was going to be an active. Then I thought Whedon was going to do something interesting and kill her. That would have been right in line with Whedon's MO. Her being a sleeper "active" was what I thought it was going to be and it was disappointing that I was right.

I knew that someone messed with the programming when Boyd distracted Topher. I 'm pretty confident that it was Amy Acker's character Dr. Saunders.

Anyway...I have a personal reason to look forward to next week's episode because a good friend of mine is going to be on it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:39 pm  Reply with quote



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I think a fair bit of my faith (no pun intended) has been restored in the show, though it's kind of dumb that it took 6 episodes to get here. I sense studio meddling...
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