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Kryten Syxx
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:02 pm  Reply with quote



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As usual, Fox News reports half the facts and over sensationalizes the truth in order to gain viewers.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/847/847273p1.html

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January 23, 2008 - Fox News recently aired an alarmist segment on Mass Effect claiming the game featured full nudity and sex. The reporter also said critics claim the game is being marketed to children. The gaming community has been abuzz with talk of the segment, which many view as containing several inaccuracies. Fox News did not try to clarify any of these allegations. Fox News also used footage of the game that was originally shown on IGN.com, although it was obtained without IGN's approval. Both Fox News and IGN are owned by News Corp.

Electronic Arts (EA), parent company of Mass Effect developer BioWare, has responded to the Fox News Channel (FNC). Jeff Brown, EA's VP of Communications, has issued a letter to the channel asking it to correct these falsities and misstatements that the publisher feels have disparaged its property. Among Brown's points:



"Your headline above the televised story read: 'New videogame shows full digital nudity and sex.'

Fact: Mass Effect does not include explicit or frontal nudity. Love scenes in non-interactive sequences include side and profile shots – a vantage frequently used in many prime-time television shows. It's also worth noting that the game requires players to develop complex relationships before characters can become intimate and players can chose to avoid the love scenes altogether.

FNC voice-over reporter says: 'You'll see full digital nudity and the ability for players to engage in graphic sex.'

Fact: Sex scenes in Mass Effect are not graphic. These scenes are very similar to sex sequences frequently seen on network television in prime time.

FNC reporter says: 'Critics say Mass Effect is being marketed to kids and teenagers.'

Fact: That is flat out false. Mass Effect and all related marketing has been reviewed by the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) and rated Mature – appropriate for players 17-years and older. ESRB routinely counsels retailers on requesting proof of age in selling M-rated titles and the system has been lauded by members of Congress and the Federal Trade Commission. In practical terms, the ratings work as well or better than those used for warning viewers about television content.

Other sources used in the segment made similar incorrect statements about the game. Judging by the inaccuracy of their comments, they have had zero experience with Mass Effect and are largely ignorant about videogames, the people who play them, and the ESRB system that governs their ratings and sales."


Brown theorizes that some of the negative attention TV news gives to videogames may be because viewers are spending more time playing games than watching their show.


"As videogames continue to take audiences away from television, we expect to see more TV news stories warning parents about the corrupting influence of interactive entertainment. But this represents a new level of recklessness.

"Do you watch the Fox Network? Do you watch Family Guy? Have you ever seen The OC? Do you think the sexual situations in Mass Effect are any more graphic than scenes routinely aired on those shows? Do you honestly believe that young people have more exposure to Mass Effect than to those prime time shows?

"This isn't a legal threat; it's an appeal to your sense of fairness. We're asking FNC to correct the record on Mass Effect."
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Here is the video in question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU

The woman speaking out against ME has never played the game but is obviously an expert on it, so much so in fact that she somehow found the full graphic nudity super-secret mini game!
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conundrum
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:32 pm  Reply with quote



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I was yelling at the screen when I saw that on Kotaku. Of everyone in the entire segment (7 people if I am not mistaken) only one had a fucking clue what was going on. All the others were willing to just blindly accept that there was graphic sex and continuous degradation of women without as much as even turning on a console and watching the intro.

This particular brand of faux journalism is why people hate Fox News. If they were talking about a game more mainstream (like Mario) I could easily see the entire fucking thing being on The Onion. It is really that bad.

EDIT - humorous follow up: http://kotaku.com/348355/quack-gets-amazon-book-rating-spammed
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Kryten Syxx
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:02 pm  Reply with quote



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Blind Followers: The bread and butter of Fox News.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:30 pm  Reply with quote



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http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1599211793/ref=cm_cr_pr_redirect#customerReviews

Dude, this is honestly better than the entire single crystal ball point pen reviews on amazon.co.uk. Go down to the bottom and read the discussion as well to get the full effect.
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Impure159
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:01 am  Reply with quote



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wow i can't believe this, when that guy brought up the parental controls they basically said "Yeah thats all in place but you expect people to use it?" Wow... can fox news stoop any lower?
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Kryten Syxx
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Yes, they just dance around all the things that are in place to help parents monitor and control children. This is nothing but bar room journalism: a load of ill informed "know-it-alls" getting up on a table and shouting out insane bullshit. I really hope EA keeps going after Fox for the blatant fabrications. There was nothing to back up the huge negative headlines.

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Ms. Lawrence is neither qualified nor experienced in the subject she writes on here, or in other matters for which she claims to be an 'expert' opinion. Her recent tirade on Fox News lambasting video games as a sore on the face of humanity and an open source of damnation for our children was criminal. She cited one small study as her source, and yet offered no personal experience nor research, relying solely on the thoughts of others in the field. I find it disheartening that she would have the lack of integrity to voice the opinion as her own, when it was clearly nothing more than a plagarism of other's work.


Ah, justice. Cooper thought she could just spout out a load of nonsense and not get called on it in... Silly bitch.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:19 pm  Reply with quote



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I never thought I'd say this, but...go get 'em, EA.

*Shudders*
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Pestilence
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:35 am  Reply with quote
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Funny how they haven't said anything about the awesome "The Witcher", a totally adult RPG where you even get rewarded with a nice nudie playing card for bedding the chicks.

EA should, without a doubt, sue these assholes for defamation.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:37 pm  Reply with quote



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It's called Parental Controls... Their in the system blade.
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Pestilence wrote:
Funny how they haven't said anything about the awesome "The Witcher", a totally adult RPG where you even get rewarded with a nice nudie playing card for bedding the chicks.

EA should, without a doubt, sue these assholes for defamation.


Except The Withcer ain't making money. So no one knows about it at Fox.

So don't tell them anything.
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frank_dracman
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Yeah, don't tell them about the titties in God of War! Strange how they pick on this game, when there are games out there for consoles and pc that show much "worse". When are they going to realize games are like movies these days? Adults watch movies and play games, and that's why we have ratings. People, for the love of GOD, be responsible for your kids!
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Kryten Syxx
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:42 am  Reply with quote



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frank_dracman wrote:
Yeah, don't tell them about the titties in God of War! Strange how they pick on this game, when there are games out there for consoles and pc that show much "worse". When are they going to realize games are like movies these days? Adults watch movies and play games, and that's why we have ratings. People, for the love of GOD, be responsible for your kids!


GOW was a little too old for them to pick on. Hell, they didn't even go after the new Conan game which is far more violent and has tits right there in your face (none of that side boob, not really seeing anything stuff like in ME).

Fox News is more of a tabloid station than anything else. Sure, other news outlets are like that, but Fox takes it so seriously.

I am all for EA's efforts to bring light to Fox's stupidity.
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Without giving names (for the parties involved do not deserve that), this all started with a fairly unknown blogger. They came out hard against ME, using a confusing, inaccurate, and poorly written tirade. When gamers initially got wind of it, they went on to blast him. This, unfortunately, gave him more hits than he had ever dreamed of and only seemed to encourage him.

Somewhere along the lines, Fox apparently caught wind of this (for such complaints about the game more or less did not exist anywhere else) and decided to run with it. Good sensationalism playing off a fear that most people already know (videogames are the current cause of the downfall of civilization).

On a side note I have to point out how I love when criminals blame GTA and the media blindly runs with it. Criminals will say they learned how to steal a car or better yet, shoot a gun from playing GTA. What nobody in the media seems to realize is, in GTA stealing a car is "X" and shooting a gun is lock on, then "X." It is not like they show how to hotwire, or even that you pull the trigger to shoot a gun. I am sure the media would chime in that everyone already knows that you have to pull the trigger, but that just proves the point that they knew how to use a gun before playing the game.

*sigh* The "news" media is the new downfall of society as far as I am concerned.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:57 pm  Reply with quote
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Well, looks like Miss Research herself, Cooper Lawrence has now issued an apology over her statements after actually playing the game.

http://sphinx.newsvine.com/_news/2008/01/26/1257215-cooper-lawrence-apologizes-for-describing-mass-effect-as-pornography
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The Internet hath no fury like a gamer scorned.

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The author Cooper Lawrence, who criticized Mass Effect on a Fox News program.
That’s the lesson Fox News and a self-help author learned this week after a program on that channel featured a discussion of the sexual content of the hit video game Mass Effect.

Bound by global message boards, blogs, chat rooms and of course the games themselves, gamers are perhaps the single most intense subculture on the Internet — fiercely protective of their pastime and at ease with the byways of cyberspace.

So the game world has been ablaze with indignation since the Fox News program “The Live Desk With Martha MacCallum” said on Monday that Mass Effect, one of the most critically praised games of 2007, contains frontal nudity and explicit depictions of sexual activity. The assertions of virtual lasciviousness first appeared earlier this month among conservative bloggers incensed by brief YouTube clips excerpted from the 30- to 40-hour game.

Mass Effect, a science fiction game, includes a complicated romantic subplot that is no more risqué in its plot or graphic in its depiction than evening network television.

To exact their revenge, gamers have turned their vitriol on Cooper Lawrence, an author who appeared to mischaracterize the game when she said: “Here’s how they’re seeing women: They’re seeing them as these objects of desire, as these, you know, hot bodies. They don’t show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality. And it’s a man in this game deciding how many women he wants to be with.”

In fact Mass Effect allows users to play as either a man or a woman, and the few suggestions of intimate contact occur in the context of a detailed interpersonal story line. Asked on the air by Geoff Keighley of Spike TV whether she had ever played the game, Ms. Lawrence laughed and said, “No.”

Irate gamers have flooded the page on Amazon.com selling Ms. Lawrence’s most recent book, “The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace With Your Inner Overachiever,” sending its user-generated rating into oblivion.

By Friday afternoon 412 of the book’s 472 user reviews were the lowest possible rating, one star. Another 48 ratings were for two stars. Only 12 of the ratings were for three stars or higher. In addition, 929 Amazon users had tagged the book with the keyword “ignorant.” Tied for second place with 744 tags were “garbage” and “hypocrisy,” while “hack” and “hypocrite” tied for fourth place with 710 votes. Gamers have also attacked the book on the Barnes & Noble Web site.

Many of the reviewers admit that they have not read Ms. Lawrence’s book.

As one Amazon user put it: “I know all about this book but have never fully read it. Why? Due to the overwhelming backlash, I have no choice but to agree with the 1 star ratings. The rumors are rampant that this book was poorly written and poorly researched. So without verifying the contents myself — I give it a 1 star. Good thing video games aren’t judged in this manner — whew!!!”

On Friday “The Cult of Perfection” was ranked the 346,106th best-selling book on Amazon. Mass Effect, by contrast, has been a hit, selling more than 1.6 million copies since November. An Amazon spokeswoman said the site would soon begin to remove reviews written by users who had clearly not read the book.

In an interview on Friday, Ms. Lawrence said that since the controversy over her remarks erupted she had watched someone play the game for about two and a half hours. “I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.

“Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”

Electronic Arts, the giant publisher that owns Mass Effect, has asked Fox News for a correction. A Fox News spokesman would say only that Electronic Arts had been offered a chance to appear on the channel. An Electronic Arts spokesman said the company had not yet decided whether to accept the offer.

By telephone from Edmonton, Alberta, Ray Muzyka, the medical doctor who is chief executive of BioWare, the Electronic Arts studio that made Mass Effect, said: “We’re hurt. We believe in video games as an art form, and on behalf of the 120 people who poured their blood and tears into this game over three years, we’re just really hurt that someone would misrepresent the game without even playing it. All we can hope for is that people who actually play our games will see the truth.”


She sure as fuck didn't care about what she was saying until it started to affect her income...
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