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Joined: 29 Aug 2006 Posts: 701 Location: Australia

It was the final character death in Angel that got me. I don't think I'll ever look at Joss Whedon the same way again.
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Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Posts: 1882

The worst for me was Fred's death. Hello heartwrenching! Wesley's was pretty damned sad too.

I think what shocked me the most was Lorne taking out Lindsey. I just didn't even see that coming.

Just like Starblazers: Farewell Spaceship Yamamoto.
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Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 351 Location: Miami,Florida

Just wanted to let you Buffy and Angel fans out there some news.

I think it's temporary but right now at Amazon.com you can get Angel seasons 2-5 for only $20 each season.

Also they got Buffy seasons 1-7 for also $20 each season.

I suggest you get these while you can in case Amazon.com raises the prices.
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Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 400

Yeah, those are the new Angel thinpacks at 50% off. I keep trying to hold out for the big box, ala Buffy, but it's getting hard. If I can ever get them for about $15 each ($75 for the whole series), then I'll probably just go ahead and cave.

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 4360 Location: NYC baby!

A friend of mine has finally started watching Buffy after YEARS of me preaching the show's greatness so it inspired me to go back and rewatch it...

It amazes me that this show still works so amazingly well after all these years. A testament to great writing and acting. I know Gellar has her non-fans but that girl is one hell of a talent. She went through nearly every gamut of acting challenges and pulled them all off. (Ok, except the cave man thing because that was just doomed for failure).

A lot of people complain about Buffy during season 6 and 7 and in comparison with seasons 2-5, yes, they are inferior, but it's all still great TV and you have some the best acting on TV yet.

Everyone has at least one great moment on that show in each season, and some, like James Marsters, Gellar and Hannigan have more.

No other show has the replay value that Buffy does for me and that's something. Firefly comes close but unfortunately that show was killed LONG before it's time. I really hope Dollhouse continues Whedon's magic run of awesome work.

I couldn't fucking believe why people watched this stupid show about some teenage half wit who killed vampires. It was on the fucking WB! What a stupid idea. I swore I would never watch the show, it just looked dumb and irritating.

Then I watched an episode. And another, and another, and another.

My god, I have never been so happy to be completely, and totally wrong. Buffy the Vampire Slayer is easily one of the greatest television shows to ever grace the small screen.

I finally just finished Season 5 of Angel, and finished Buffy a week ago. My god I am so terribly sad it's over.

I'll say this though, I had a ton of people tell me that Angel's finale was better than Buffy's but I gotta disagree, I thought Buffy's finale was much much better and provided a bit of closure for me. While as Angel, which I fucking love and actually think is better than Buffy towards the last few seasons, just left too much open made me regrettably depressed. Don't get me wrong, I loved the episode, and cried like a bitch when Wesley passed away, but I just didn't feel like it was a solid enough ending. It truly ended way to soon. Where as Buffy's ending felt solid and there was certainly closure the series as a whole, not just that season.

By the way, Spike at the poetry slam was one of the greatest scenes I've ever seen of any show. That was fucking brilliant.

So many amazing episodes and amazing characters. And I feel like I just got let it on this great big secret and now I need to spread it around the world.

Favorite Characters of Both Shows
1. Spike
2. Wesley
3. Xander
4. Fred
5. Anya

Favorite Episodes
1. Restless from Buffy Season 4
2. Once More with Feeling Season 6 Buffy
3. Smile Time Season 5 of Angel
4. Soulless Season 4 of Angel
5. Hush Season 3 of Buffy

My god I love these shows.
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Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 441 Location: Canada

I miss these shows quite a bit. Supernatural fills the void somewhat but it's not the same. Sad

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 4360 Location: NYC baby!

Season 4 of Angel is pretty terrible...None of it really worked for me on second viewing...I cared more about Wesley and Fred's subplots than I did the whole arc...Cordy as the villain was a neat twist at first but upon second viewing, it's really bad...

Season 5 was my least favourite upon first viewing but upon second, it's easily my second favourite, 2 being the first...THe last 5 episodes are fantastic.

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Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 745

I definitely think that season 4 of Angel was the weakest... it felt so disconnected and all over the place. It's The Beast! No, it's Connor! No, it's Cordy! No, it's CONNOR AND CORDY'S BABY (dun-dun-dun)!!

But really, therein lies the strength of the show (both really, Buffy has some weak seasons too)... is that during even a season that weak, I can find a lot to like too, and still enjoy rewatching it.
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Season 4 gets a pass for having some of the best fucking episodes of the entire show with Angelus locked in the cage. That was some of the most intense television I've ever seen.
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